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jimothy_183 Civilian

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geryban

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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Its interesting... I think, they are to 2fast, they havent body contact, They use a wrong (and dangerous) low ready instead of SUL. In 0:15 The pointman open the door , and the pointman not shoot to the target in the front (booth is wrong).... So its not a good moving...
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jimothy_183 Civilian

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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Great points gerryban. I noticed the lack of body contact was well and I agree with using SUL rather than low ready.
I don't however agree with you in saying that the first man should have engaged the target in front. The first man was simply following the patch of least resistance by crossing the doorway and clearing the left hard corner and leaving the second man to clear the other side of the room. What the first man did do wrong however was stop for a second to look at the target in front of the door as if he was thinking about whether or not to engage that target. What he should have done was stay facing the left hard corner as he crosses at the doorway without stopping or looking to the front of the room.
Also I'd just noticed that when the second man enters that same room he didn't clear his hard corner and went straight for the threat at the front as if he was using immediate threat/direct to threat.
One last thing that I noticed was in the first room where the second man hooked around the doorway very widely rather than hug the wall. I don't know if other people find this is acceptable however. _________________ semper acer , semper velox , semper trux , semper promptus |
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geryban

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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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i understand your notice... It is right.... in the classroom maybe... You said: First man go to left hard corner, second go to the RIGHT CORNER (you dont said, but i think), and just a third goes to the front. Ok... Hope, they will be fast enough... Well, in real life, its a joke... Just talk about the operators cold blood in CQB situation, so he meet an enemy in front... he say: ok second man has... and turn to the left hard corner. Realy cool, and cold! I have never seen this type of people. And you? Its working in a training in a killhouse, but in a real life? NOOO... We try to prepare our students for a real situations, so... If you are in face to face with the danger you will shoot from the doorway to front... its a fact!!! YOU LL SHOOT!! YOU HAVE TO SHOOT!!! FAST!!! How can you cordinate, and dominate this situation? So, important in training, when the pointman SHOOT to the front, he have to move, and move, and turn to the hard corner, if he hit the target, or not... So, the real life methot have to this: pointman go first shoot to the front target (double tap, emergency shoot! ) on the move(!!!!) turn to the hard corner. Close behind, the second operator shoot to the front target on the turn, and go to the right hard corner. The third man shoot to the front target and hit it, hit,hit,hit...
So, maybe the first two operator cant hit the target, he suppressed the enemy till the third come... Its working in a real life, belive me... The oldschool methods face to well trained suspects... Death... Sure... _________________ WORK HARD, PLAY HARD! |
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| This is just a darn good movie. |
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jimothy_183 Civilian

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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Too bad for me, I missed most of it when it was on TV. And I would rent it but I can't seem to find it. _________________ semper acer , semper velox , semper trux , semper promptus |
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geryban

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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Good movie. Not more! Have mistakes, but not big ones (so, its not a tutorial video)... I like, when they moving in the building (in jimothy_183's video). Try the real: Its not a tipical 2MT method, but fine (freestile ))... Surprise, plan, movings, teamworks is broken allways, when enemy attacked... Like in real: No time, shoot back,supressing fire, dominate the hallway, keep the active cover (another word: you have to see the enemy, or know his position) go cover, reorganize the team, keep the contact, move back, or move forward, if its possible... It have to work intuitively (in skills, we trust...) _________________ WORK HARD, PLAY HARD! |
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jimothy_183 Civilian

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geryban

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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFKQgkv7mg&feature=related
I think its a good video for showing 2MT team work. I like the flexibility, and position changings. we use this too for 2 or 4 MTs.
Our rule is: if you can dominate the hallway during searcing, one man never leave this AOR, so with 2MT one man doing the room clearing,one dominate the coridor.
Muzzleing and clearing rooms are a little bit sloppy and maybe they needed more body language, and more communications (mag change, contdown before lim. pen, and like this), and violence if they move fast like in this video. Only the pointman covering front sometime, the second doing i dont know what... fact: two guns covering front mean double firepower to the primary direction so if U can U have to (always find an AOR or support/cover your partner!)
rule: less gun, more tactical decision.
Have to make a tac.decision to make quick peak or lim.pen, mirror, pieing Have to make a tac.decision which is more important or better : The room or the corridor, rear or front, near corner or the far, crosscover or single stack, move slowly or faster, stealth or keep violence...
2MT trainings is not how need to move, and where for. Its how you make a best tac.decision very quickly, and how can U make it with lowest risk, and highest efficiency. _________________ WORK HARD, PLAY HARD! |
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jimothy_183 Civilian

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXr08qho3U
Apparently these 2 operators from completely different units filmed the shoothouse segment without any kind of rehersal or planning prior to filming. _________________ semper acer , semper velox , semper trux , semper promptus |
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olivia751
Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
Its really a nice video. Thanks for sharing it here. Keep sharing such things here.
Regards,
Olivia _________________ Leadership Development |
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